Libra自2019年6月18号公布白皮书以来，一石激起千层浪，引发国内外及各方面人士广泛讨论，前段时间美国国会听证会更是对libra提出了许多尖锐问题。7月29日，区分平台有幸邀请到美国国会小组成员、Facebook法律顾问欧阳默博士，我们将针对Libra的发展和未来展开讨论。
欧阳默博士（Dr. Omer Ozden）：美国国会小组成员，2006年成为Facebook法律顾问，同时，欧阳默先生也是石木资本(RockTree LEX)的创始人兼CEO、真格基金国际合伙人、DGroup/DFund合伙人、优客工场联合创始人。
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
问题一：1、从美国政府对Libra的态度，您觉得政府最担心Libra哪一点？Libra对于传统金融秩序、监管体系、法律边界是否带来很大的冲击和挑战？
1. From the attitude of the U.S. government towards Libra, which point do you think the government worries most about Libra? Does Libra bring great impact and challenge to the traditional financial order, regulatory system and legal boundary?
Facebook法律顾问-欧阳默博士
There are three main attitudes from the government when we talk to them.
1. ALL of the US Government is mad at Facebook because of the Privacy Issues……. this has nothing to do with crypto or Libra. It is because of past issues of Facebook.Facebook got fined $5,000,000,000 from FTC (US Gov) for Privacy Issues this summer.
2. The second attitude is the US Government….especially the Congress, is very excited and interested in the power of Blockchain. They know blockchain and cryptocurrencies are important and they have to pay very close attention. And when I speak with Congressmen and Congresswomen, they tell me “Omer, we know Libra is different from cryptocurrencies and blockchain”. These government leaders we talk to in private meetings tell me they support blockchain and crypto!
3. The third attitude is that Some US Government… especially Treasury, is worried about the impact on the financial order of Libra and Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. They are worred about US dollar dominance.They are worried about power of Investment Banks and Commercial Banks and that technology companies like Facebook are taking this business.
[美国政府对Libra主要持以下三种态度：
不满。原因是Facebook的隐私问题……然而这与加密货币和Libra无关。美国政府的不满源于 Facebook过去发生的隐私泄漏问题。今年夏天Facebook已为此次隐私泄漏事件交了50亿美金罚款。
对于区块链拥有的力量感到激动并且表示对区块链非常感兴趣——这是美国政府（尤其是美国国会）的第二个看法。他们知道区块链和加密货币极其重要，因此他们也在密切关注。当我同国会议员们交谈时，他们对我说：“欧阳默，我们清楚Libra不同于区块链和加密货币。”在私下会面时，这些同我交谈的政府领导者告诉我，他们支持区块链和加密货币！
担心Libra、比特币以及其他加密货币冲击现有金融秩序，并危及美元优势地位——这是一些美国政府（尤其是美国财政部）所持的观点。他们也担心投资银行和商业银行的力量（因此受影响），担心Facebook这种技术型公司进军商业领域。]
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
第二个问题：目前阻碍Libra推出的最大障碍您觉得是什么问题？是涉及类似反洗钱的法律问题？政府参与监管的难度问题？还是来自其他国家的政治压力？
2. What do you think is the biggest obstacle to Libra’s launch? Is it a legal issue related to similar anti-money laundering? How difficult is it for the government to participate in regulation? Or political pressure from other countries?
Facebook法律顾问-欧阳默博士
The biggest obstacle to Facebook’s launch is it’s design，It’s too complicated. AML and KYC are key parts. 我和David Marcus、Facebook 一起工作时，我给他们的意见是，我们需要简化Libra. 例如我们今天与Paxos的会议,他们早已获得政府批准的稳定币。 I advise Facebook to simplify Libra. Make it more like Paxos or Gemini. Because Paxos and Gemini were already approved by the New York DFS. [我建议Facebook简化Libra，使它更像Paxos 或者 Gemin，因为Paxos 和 Gemin已经获得纽约 DFS的支持。 ]
The US government also has an obstacle for Libra. 美国政府面临的挑战是，Facebook选择去一个加密货币法律更好的国家，即瑞士。这意味着，纽约州等州一级政府的审批速度要快于华盛顿特区的联邦一级政府，一些像Facebook这样的大公司正在海外进行法律架构。At RockTree LEX, we say that “IN BLOCKCHAIN, LAW IS ALSO TECHNOLOGY”.[在石本资本，我们常说“在区块链领域，法律就是科技。”]
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
第三个问题：看到您是石木资本(RockTree LEX)的创始人兼CEO、真格基金国际合伙人、DGroup/DFund合伙人、优客工场联合创始人，然后同时从2006年成为Facebook的法律顾问，从投资角度来看，您觉得基于Libra未来可能会产生的投资机会有哪些赛道？
3. As your experience as the Founder & CEO of RockTree Lex，International partner of Zhenfund, Partner of DFund and co-Founder of Wework, from the perspective of investment, what are the possible investment opportunities based on Libra in the future?
Facebook法律顾问-欧阳默博士
RockTree和真格基金一起投资了很多项目，目前我们在全球范围内广泛寻找优质项目，特别是在美国。对于Libra来说，对于买方的机会不是很多，因为Libra是稳定币。Libra的节点1000万美金就能买到，1000万美金很多人都能拿出来。现在我们在做的事就是删选谁有资格成为节点，不是谁更有钱就行。显而易见，成为节点的公司利润会很不错。
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
欧阳默博士也是Dfund的合伙人，USDT是Dfund的投资标的之一，关于USDT的未来您怎么看？
Facebook法律顾问-欧阳默博士
DGroup是我们的合伙人，他们支持USDT和Biffinex。今天，我们的RRB要在Bitfinex上币。USDT is the most important stable coin，and some new ones are coming which have been approved by US government (NYDFS). [USDT是最重要的稳定币，同时也会有新的受美国政府（纽约金融服务部门）支持的币种加入]
More governments will approve more stablecoins in the future. [未来会有更多政府部门支持更多稳定币] RockTree LEX is working on a project now where we have GOLD as the backing for a coin. [现在石本资本正致力于研究一个主题：我们从哪里找到支持这些币的“金子”]
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
第四个问题：我们注意到，贵团队正在和美国政府合作，帮助他们去制定和完善区块链相关法律，那么，请问，对于区块链，美国法律对这一块推进速度如何？从法律的角度来看，您觉得中国政府对于区块链的法律完善进展如何？您有什么建议？您觉得中国的Libra会在怎样的情况下诞生？
We have noticed that your team is cooperating with the U.S government to help them formulate and improve laws related to blockchain. So, may I ask, how fast does the U.S. law promote blockchain? From a legal perspective, how do you think the Chinese government will promote its legal perspectives re blockchain? What is your suggestion? Under what circumstances do you think Libra will be born in China?
Facebook法律顾问-欧阳默博士
90年代，我住在北京，我在中国帮助很多企业开启了互联网之路。我的团队发明了VIE架构。我做过的案子有阿里巴巴、百度、网易、新东方，这些距今差不多有20年。那时，外资进入中国互联网是不合法的。This helped REVOLUTIONALIZE China’s economy. [而这帮了中国经济改革的大忙。]
Back then, we did he first VC deals for Alibaba and Baidu… when Ma Yuen was still in a Hangzhou apartment with his team.Today, these are some of the biggest technology companies in China…. and even the world.We also work with Facebook going back to 2006.
[回顾当时，我们为阿里巴巴和百度做了首次VC处理…… 那时马云还和他的团队一起住在杭州公寓里。 今天，他们已跻身中国甚至是世界级科技巨头公司的行列。追溯到2006年，我们和Facebook 也有同样的合作。]
现在为区块链，我也在做和当年一样的事情,和美国政府一起制定新的法律法规和框架，让区块链行业有更多的发展空间.
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
OK 通过您刚才的分享 我们相信任何一个国家的法律健全会有一个过程，包括美国和中国。
OK, by sharing what you just said, we believe that there will be a process for the legal integrity of any country, including the United States and China
Facebook法律顾问-欧阳默博士
Yes for VIE, we need approval of Chinese government and US SEC. Together we make this happen!!!!
[是的，为了达成VIE，我们需要中国政府和美国证劵交易委员会的支持。为此目标我们当众志成城！]
就像VIE架构在中国帮助了互联网的飞速成长，我们希望区块链行业也能得益于新的政策，合法合规的发展
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
第五个问题：以您的观察，美国高层对于区块链的认知和态度，是否有利于类Libra项目的发展？纵观全球，您觉得目前当下哪个国家对于区块链的法律是相对健全的？您觉得在区块链全球竞争战中，最有可能领先的是哪些国家？
5. Based on your observation, does the perception and attitude of the U.S. top officials towards blockchain contribute to the development of Libra project? Throughout the world, which country do you think has relatively sound laws on blockchain? Which countries do you think are most likely to lead the global competition in blockchain?
Facebook法律顾问-欧阳默博士
Japan has great laws,Switzerland too,and Singapore. Now many other EU countries are coming on…. of course Malta, and UK government is bringing a lot of support for Blockchain.
[日本设有健全的法律，瑞士和新加坡也有。现如今，许多欧盟国家也正跟上来。当然，马耳他和英国政府为区块链带来了大量支持。 纽约州政府依然处于世界领导者地位]
The New York State government is world leader as well. I met with AG of New York.NYAG’s attitude is : If you are a legal blockchain and crypto project, we can support you. But if not, we will go after you. New York State hand out many licenses.
[纽约州政府依然处于世界领导者地位。 我同纽约副关长会过面，纽约政府的态度是：如果你是合法的区块链及加密货币项目，我们支持，反之不是，我们一定追究到底。纽约州已经颁发多张许可证。]
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
我们相信我们中国也会很快领先全球，欢迎朋友们一起努力
We believe that we China will soon lead the world, welcome friends to work together
Facebook法律顾问-欧阳默博士
Yes, China we want to make the Number 1 country for Blockchain
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
最后一个问题：有人认为，Libra的态度是比较温和的，比如马库斯对于国会表达了：如果政府不允许，他不会推出Libra的态度；但是，也有人也说，Libra在战略上过于激进，认为Libra的定位，会切去很多既得利益者的蛋糕，会严重阻碍Libra在其他国家和地区的业务拓展？您怎么看待这些观点？Libra是一次金融革命，还是一次对于现有金融世界的改良？
Libra’s attitude is considered to be moderate. For example, Marcus expressed to Congress that he would not promote Libra if the government does not allow it. However, others also say that Libra is too aggressive in strategy. Libra’s positioning will cut the cake of many vested interests and seriously hinder Libra’s business expansion in other countries and regions. What do you think of these views? Is Libra a financial revolution, or an improvement on the existing financial world?
Facebook法律顾问-欧阳默博士
中国政府是世界上最聪明的政府之一，他们学习能力很强，注重教育和科技，相信中国的相关法律规定也能很快出台，这需要大家集体的贡献，将中国变为加密货币和区块链第一。。就像当年我们为互联网做的那样。
我们可以携手作战！
改革开放造就了今天的中国，改革和开放是进步的重要力量!
区分创始人&主持人-老郭
Let's Do It !
本次精彩访谈到此结束，欧阳默博士的分享不仅详细解释了参众两院对Libra目前的态度，还激起了我们对于Libra及区块链未来的憧憬！Together we make this happen!
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